Poet Marie Howe Reflects On The ‘Living’ After Loss
Filed by KOSU News in Art & Life.
April 13, 2012
This interview was originally broadcast on October 20, 2011.
A few years after her younger brother John died from AIDS-related complications in 1989, poet Marie Howe wrote him a poem in the form of a letter. Called “What the Living Do,” the poem is an elegiac description of loss, and of living beyond loss.
“When he died, it was a terrible loss to all of us,” she tells Fresh Air’s Terry Gross. “As you know, as everybody knows, you think, ‘My life is changed so utterly I don’t know how to live it anymore.’ And then you find a way.”
Howe’s poem “What the Living Do” was recently anthologized in The Penguin Anthology of 20th-Century American Poetry. Howe discusses several of her poems, which deal with topics such as loss, love, spirituality, gender, sexuality and intimacy.
“Poetry holds the knowledge that we are alive and that we know we’re going to die,” says Howe. “The most mysterious aspect of being alive might be that — and poetry knows that.”
Howe is the author of What the Living Do, The Kingdom of Ordinary Time and The Good Thief. She has taught at Sarah Lawrence College, Columbia and New York University.
Excerpt: ‘The Kingdom Of Ordinary Time’
After the Movie
My friend Michael and I are walking home arguing about the movie.He says that he believes a person can love someoneand still be able to murder that person.
I say, No, that’s not love. That’s attachment.Michael says, No, that’s love. You can love someone, then come to a day
when you’re forced to think “it’s him or me”think “me” and kill him.
I say, Then it’s not love anymore.Michael says, It was love up to then though.
I say, Maybe we mean different things by the same word.Michael says, Humans are complicated: love can exist even in themurderous heart.
I say that what he might mean by love is desire.Love is not a feeling, I say. And Michael says, Then what is it?
We’re walking along West 16th Street — a clear unclouded night — and I hear my voicerepeating what I used to say to my husband: Love is action, I used to sayto him.
Simone Weil says that when you really love you are able to look atsomeone you want to eat and not eat them.
Janis Joplin says, take another little piece of my heart now baby.
Meister Eckhart says that as long as we love images we are doomed tolive in purgatory.
Michael and I stand on the corner of 6th Avenue saying goodnight.I can’t drink enough of the tangerine spritzer I’ve just bought —
again and again I bring the cold can to my mouth and suck the stuff fromthe hole the flip top made.
What are you doing tomorrow? Michael says.But what I think he’s saying is “You are too strict. You area nun.”
Then I think, Do I love Michael enough to allow him to think these thingsof me even if he’s not thinking them?
Above Manhattan, the moon wanes, and the sky turns clearer and colder.Although the days, after the solstice, have started to lengthen,
we both know the winter has only begun.
From The Kingdom of Ordinary Time by Marie Howe. Copyright 2008 by Marie Howe. Excerpted by permission of the publisher, W. W. Norton & Co. Inc.
Excerpt: ‘What The Living Do’
What the Living Do
Johnny, the kitchen sink has been clogged for days, some utensil probably fell down there.And the Drano won’t work but smells dangerous, and the crusty dishes have piled up
waiting for the plumber I still haven’t called. This is the everyday we spoke of.It’s winter again: the sky’s a deep, headstrong blue, and the sunlight pours through
the open living-room windows because the heat’s on too high in here and I can’t turn it off.For weeks now, driving, or dropping a bag of groceries in the street, the bag breaking,
I’ve been thinking: This is what the living do. And yesterday, hurrying along thosewobbly bricks in the Cambridge sidewalk, spilling my coffee down my wrist and sleeve,
I thought it again, and again later, when buying a hairbrush: This is it.Parking. Slamming the car door shut in the cold. What you called that yearning.
What you finally gave up. We want the spring to come and the winter to pass. We wantwhoever to call or not call, a letter, a kiss — we want more and more and then more of it.
But there are moments, walking, when I catch a glimpse of myself in the window glass,say, the window of the corner video store, and I’m gripped by a cherishing so deep
for my own blowing hair, chapped face, and unbuttoned coat that I’m speechless:I am living. I remember you.
My brother opens his eyes when he hears the door clickopen downstairs and Joe’s steps walking up past the meowing cat
and the second click of the upstairs door, and then he liftshis face so that Joe can kiss him. Joe has brought armfuls
of broken magnolia branches in full blossom, and he puttersin the kitchen looking for a big jar to put them in and finds it.
And now they tower in the living room, white and sweet, whereJohn can see them if he leans out from his bed which
he can’t do just now, and now Joe is cleaning. What a messyou’ve left me, he says, and John is smiling, almost asleep again.
From What the Living Do by Marie Howe. Copyright 1998 by Marie Howe. With permission of the publisher, W.W. Norton & Co. Inc. [Copyright 2012 National Public Radio]